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Re: round the island ride

Post  Makoy on Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:26 am

We don't want to break the group....
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Re: round the island ride

Post  kumagako on Sun Mar 13, 2011 12:33 pm

Makoy wrote:We don't want to break the group....

wag mo ako breakan kundi hug galit
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Re: round the island ride

Post  kumagako on Sun Mar 13, 2011 1:40 pm

Makoy wrote:

SHALL WE REMOVE THE "JUNK MILES" ON THE RIDE?
Shall we do recovery on "ENDURANCE MILES"?
If we need to wait for someone then that's the time that we can go on "RECOVERY MILES" - i've seen the group cranking 40W!!!
other than than it cab be slow (atlease 100W) but not super slow...

hmmm....
actually tapos na ung phase na endurance pace training
malapit n kc ang tof
mangyayari eh parang intervals kaya may low power moments
kung gusto niyo endurance parin eh push niyo yung pace
ok lang naman ang tropa magdraft while recovering
isipin niyo nalang na naghohold ur horses ang tropa para makaregroup ang lahat.
hirap maghanap ng group ride na kung saan ang mga leaders ng pack
eh iniisip masalvar lahat. sa ibang group ride kung iwan kana eh iwan kana talaga.

but sa rest week eh endurance pace tau with spinning

as for junk miles, hirap magsalita about it.
kc pwede ka magkaroon ng kaaway nito.
mas junk yung zero watt waiting moments for the last rider to come.
then malaman mo na na drop siya kc ayaw niya magdraft bcoz muntik na siya mabangga sa isa pang rider
kaso i dnt care and i dnt add them up
even look bomba doesn't say a thing about it
ang importante eh yung effort mo sa loob ng interval
"did i maximize a certain energy system i intended to do in the interval?"

para hindi maging junk miles yung group ride.
eh magtulungan tayo sa pull. do a 5-10minute highend aerobic pace on the front.
then drop to the paceline to rest for your next turn to pull afterwards.

kung gumawa ng breakaway pack c lookbomba for example.
estimate kung kaya niyo ba dumikit.
kung hindi eh magvoltron tau natitira kaysa sabog.
form a time trial training pack with a good paceline.
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Re: round the island ride

Post  kumagako on Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:40 pm

jump
pinaka praktikal na paraan nalang eh magdala ng latigo
kung bumaba ng 100w yung mga workhorses eh
palo palo palo palo palo palo palo
whip them back up to pushing the pedals
hataw
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Re: round the island ride

Post  GIANT on Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:02 am


ayaw nyo pala mangitim ha! shift tau sa chess. party

ang kulang lang po talaga sa atin eh konting socials, na mangyayari kung me stop para kumain.

sharing of thoughts, experience, bentahan ng piyesa, alaskahan... etc.

even yung big group gaya ng joyriders, anza, me pitstop sila every weekend ride(longhouse/eastcoast) para maka socials
yung mga weekend warrior(like me). sa ganun way lalaki ang group, marami ma encourage mag join every RTI(saturday lang to mga tol!)

now kse, pag me mga bago, more often than not, na ta trauma sa bilis ng group or sa kakulangan ng time to know each other.
gaya nung mga sengkang boys(yung mga naka cervelo) at yung mga new pasir ris boys(natira na lang ata si amang at israel)
or yung mga taga STAT. kse suma sama lang sila para subukan yung mga sarili nila, hehehe and then umabot ng 50KPH sa keppel!!! ayaw na next time. hehehe. magbubuo na sila ng sarili nila group, their own pace nga naman.

my suggestion is, no matter what 6:00 am or 6:30 am, sana every sat ride, kahit maghatawan or may mga sprint points or may mag escape(just like me nagkamali ) eh magkaron tayo ng meeting point(pitstop) before maghiwa hiwalay ang group on their
way home.

we can do it half way(or anywhere along the way), kahit hindi pasir ris. kesa magkawayan na lang tau at lumiko na pala yung iba pauwi.

every RTI lang naman to, sabi nga ni Fafi Ryan eh discouraging yung distance kse na 110-120km ride.
malay nyo when we finally know each other and welcome other pinoy roadies eh me makilala kayo na mga competitive pala
at mabuo yung PBB test team.

then SUN to FRI eh ensayo nyo na yun mga RACERS! or kayo na lang humila sa amin tuwing RTI. or kayo taga sigaw, two line!,one line!, palit ng trangko! naturuan nyo pa kme. hug

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Re: round the island ride

Post  kumagako on Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:38 am

paano ibalanse...

1. babagal para magregroup na di babagal para walang junk miles.

extra lap sa lead riders?
before the end of LCK eh may isang maliit na loop yung bagong road Lor Rusuk.
so kailangan muna mag 1 lap dun before the finish para masanay
tayo ng konting technical twist and turns before the finish.
sakto pagbalik eh yung naiwan sa NT at LCK eh makakahabol by not taking the extra lap.

2. early at late aalis kaso one pack parin.

615?

3. sosyalan at kwentutan na hindi tatanghaliin ang mga troopa.

timed stopover?
20min 30min?
PASIR RIS or SENGKANG?

trabaho trabaho trabaho trabaho trabaho trabaho
BENTA KO NALANG NGA ANG BIKE KO AT BILI NG CHESS SET!!!!

galit galit galit galit galit galit
BUT BEFORE THAT EH MAGBIKE AKO TO K. TINGGI
ISISIGAW KO ANG LAHAT NG HINANAING NG PBB
ABAY TALON SA ILOG NA WALANG SHORT AND HOLDING HAND SA ISANG indyan
sabog sabog sabog sabog sabog sabog
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Re: round the island ride

Post  kumagako on Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:07 am

SERIOUSLY mga tropa

I would need more of your inputs and suggestions.


The traditional RTI can be modified para mafit sa mga present riders.
There are alot of new faces.
And as one of the pioneer PBB riders, I would humbly say that...

Pabago-bago rin yung RTI nung kapanahunan ng orig PBB riders (where ever they may be)
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Re: round the island ride

Post  Original_Sigbin on Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:50 am

I agree with gaint and kumagako this "juck miles" would push other riders to make their own group or join other group gaya ng tga sengkang boyz. indyan
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Re: round the island ride

Post  kumagako on Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:21 am

quick history RTI..

it started around october 2008
saturday of course
before eh ang rides ng PBB eh JR530 back to LH
yung mga mahihina eh sa Mandai shell ang meeting place 6am
sarap nito at generally downhill to adam road via btimah
sa lornie rd pagakyat eh hiwalay na yung puti sa decolor
isa na ako sa decolor at sina randy at johnny at henry
eh pinahihirapan ang mga ibang JR lalo na si stepano na marked man nila.
mga 630 nasa LH na et kwentutan
then mag west loop 7am with JR.
ako laspag na by that time kaya east loop ako then peel away sa sengkang at haus na
then naisip ng mga tropa noon
na tanghali na sila nakakauwi pag 7am west loop
tsaka lumalakas ang mga riders na gusto na mas mahabang ruta
naisip ng mga PBB na mag west loop nalang diretso from mandai shell 6am
kaso naiigsian ang mga loko after a few tries. nagpapatayan sila pagakyat ng s. buona vista.
dito napagisipan na mag RTI.
ayun ang pilot run ng RTI nasimulan
noon eh may mga regrouping point na kwentuhan to the maxxxxx
as in nakarating na yung last rider eh tigil para kwentuhan ng 5minutes pa
regrouping points are...
LCK cemetery busstop after stoplight
Jlan Buroh roundabout ang sunod
Minsan dun sa petrol station sa may j buroh sa may kaliwa
Dadaan ng westcoast at dito nagcracramps na ako at survival nalang at natutong magdraft for survival.
bustop after going down West coast flyover eh regrouping point rin
Esplanade regrouping at picture picture pa! wala pa yung IR noon.
Eat and kain sa hawker dun sa may ECP
Afterwards takbo sa coastal and regroup sa may along Loyang
hindi sprint point ang Loyang noon kasi laspag na
nagshoshortcut pa yung iba sa Loyang industrial para hindi na aakyat
hindi pa rin uso noon yung shortcut sa tampines industial (IBM ngayon)
kasi wala pa yan noon kaya dun kami sa may templo dadaan
then old tampines rd to defu lane
kanan to sengkang
minsan titigil ang tropa sa j kayu para mag roti prata.
dito ako natuto kumain ng prata kasi noon ayaw ko at mukhang tae.
hahataw ang tropa sa seletar
then yishun para makauwi sa kanila.
exactly fitted as a glove ang RTI noon kasi ang mga riders eh taga yishun at hougang lang.
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lumalakas ang mga tropa after several months.
kaya nawawala dahan dahan ang regrouping point kasi intact pa ang grupo.
kahit pinapatay kami ni Johnny at randy noon
eh kapit to the maxx. dito ako nagsimula mag indoor training para makakapit.
ako yata yung pinaka mahina sa grupo until dumating yung pasaway na si Mike V na parang kiti2x sa paceline.
nadagdagan pa ni MikeO afterwards at ded olredi.
Si look bomba sumasama narin by this time kaso palaman lang ng feloton.
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Si kiko eh papitik-pitik lang sumama kaso lakas magsprint
nangyayari eh rolling while regrouping after the high-speed sections
and sa ECP hawker ang kaininan at kwentutan to the maxx
mga ilang months ganito
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after some marked and noticeable improvements eh
napasyang sa changi village na yung stopover at hindi na ECP
first try eh palpak at laspag ang mga decolor
kaya napagesepan na sa may 7-11 bigsplash eh mag 5minute refill at stopover.
ilang months rin naging ganito then nawala ang 7-11 stopover
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kaso lumalakas parin ang tropa
kaso ang problema eh komokonti na kasi nag half rti nalang yung mga fitness challenged sa full rti
nangyari eh sa Elias mall na ang stopover na laking tuwa ni Mike V kasi sa house na nila.
at this time eh nagshoshortcut parin sa Loyang industrial nag mga tropa
at nag shoshort cut narin sa new road (IBM) sa may Tampines industrial
kasi naka witness ng disgrasya ang tropa sa may kanto
pa uturn ata ang trak at ang taxi na diretso binangga ang trak na tumalsik sa impact.
at this time rin eh gawa na yung buangkok bridge shortcut
ayaw na namin umikot sa may Defu lane at ang dami ng trak at para makauwi maaga ang mga taga Yishun and beyond
Si ernest at silver nito eh kasama narin pala na minsan papartidahan kami ng MTB kaso half pr full RTI lang
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sa isang di kanais-nais na pangyayari eh nadisgrasya ang PBB sa west coast flyover
medyo malubha yung nangyari kina randy at jun
dito dahan dahan numipis ang hanay ng PBB
hanggat yung mga taga yishun at tuluyang nawala.
may mga panahon noon na ako lang ang nagrti mag-isa kasi walang sumulpot sa Mandai shell 6am
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Totoo na ang heart ng PBB noon eh mga taga Yishun.
Yung mga taga STATSCHIPSPAC
Anyways may papitikpitik na sumama na taga Yishun lalo na si Ernie kaya pasalamat ako sa kanya
Si look bomba eh di narin sumasama at seryoso sa training
Si kiko as usual the most inconsitent rider minsan sisipot
Si MikeO eh medyo consistent kaso half lang talaga kasi may pasok
Sina Ian ang company eh minsan sisipot kaso half RTI lang
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At dumating yung mga susunod henerasyon ng PBB
Sumasama na ang mga halimaw ng padyakpinoy MTB.
Sila Nody, Lito, bubit?, owen at etc...
Halimaw itong si Nody at partida naka MTB minsan
Dito medyo lumaki ulit ang grupo at sumasama na ulit si Johnny at look bomba.
Si MikeO eh masigasig narin kasi may kalaban na siya sa sprint points.
Dito sumama rin sina makoy na best improved rider noon
Sa laki ng improvement eh naging Sengkang or J. Kayu na ang stopover.
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Ngayon eh medyo bago na ang hanay ng PBB
may mga taga tampines na at toa payoh.
Medyo malaki na ang difference of capabilities kay mahirap balansehan.

Anyways, gagawin nalang natin ang best na kaya natin
as for the less fit riders....
Do a big part to train yourself to catch that draft. KAPIT!!! hug
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Re: round the island ride

Post  Makoy on Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:31 pm

This "Junk Miles" & "Pitstop" had gone too far...

Let's simplify it...

1. Junk Miles

I am referring to the portion of the ride where we are riding too slow...
Too slow that basically it has no purpose - we are not waiting for anyone nor recovering...
This junk miles is only justifiable if we are re-grouping or really recovering from a hard effort.
Pero yung parang tinatamad eh ibang usapan yun... tumakatbo oras namain at lalong tumataas yung araw.

If the group will remember, this is the time when I am shouting "ano ba yan 40W lang..."

2. Social Pitstop

We are not against this... this is a good thing actually.
Pero we cannot always confirm our presence (especially for those who lives beyond Sengkang)...
Unless, i-transfer nyo yung social pitstop sa malapit sa amin.

The idea is, we wanted to reach home as early as possible and limit the unnecessary delays of the ride.
This doesn't mean, to drop the slow riders.... No way I will push for that for I am one of them...
We begin riding as a group and we wanted to end the ride also as a group.

My 2 dollars (USD)... ride
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Re: round the island ride

Post  kumagako on Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:53 pm

wait teka at san ba yang portion na mabagal?

i will break my ride that day and average speed

sengkang to YCK - 15kph
YCK - Mandai - 38kph
Mandai to Kranji dam - 25kph
Dam to end of NT - 36kph
NT to start of LCK - 25kph
LCK to Stoplight cemetery - 39kph
Stoplight cemetery to Jurong Pier rd - 20kph
Jurong pier rd to J buroh roundabout - 42kph
Jburoh to Base of aqueduct - 30kph
Aqueduct - 48kph
City to ECP service rd -25kph
ECP service rd - 35kph
Tanah merah service rd (inside the park) - 20kph
Coastal to Loyang - 37kph
Loyang to Sengkang - 25kph

the yellow marks are the low speed sections
paki indicate kung saan niyo gusto nakamax parin ang takbo ng mga kabayo hataw

i can still recover riding at ~190w
problemo kung 190w parin yung icracrank ko eh wala nang makakregroup
190w can average 35kph on a flat road windless
para makahabol ang naiwan eh kailangan nila magcrank ng 50w more

as Ive said on the previous post
kung mabagal e set up the pace
kung gusto mo naka endurance pace ka always at mabagal ang grupo
volunteer ur power on the front by cranking your endurance pace.

same lang naman ag power kung nasa draft ka cranking endurance power
at nsa front kung endurance power yung crinacrank mo

nakatulong kapa sa grupo
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Re: round the island ride

Post  kumagako on Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:14 pm

sengkang to YCK - 15kph
ayoko masyado tumira at warmup ko pa

Mandai to Kranji dam - 25kph
pwede tirahin kaso kawawa ang kakarating lang ng Mandai kc walang warmup
*ito ang suggestion ni look bomba na after the dam na daw magsimula

NT to start of LCK - 25kph
sige try natin continuous parin yung power
gagawin ko nalang as one interval yung dam to LCK para masmahaba

Stoplight cemetery to Jurong Pier rd - 20kph
maraming stoplights at trak n kotse
kaso pwede natin gawin racepace in between stoplights

Jburoh to Base of aqueduct - 30kph
actually dito eh pwede tumakbo ng >40kph sa dami ng trucks
iwan nalang ang maiwan sa J buroh stretch

City to ECP service rd -25kph
Actually may mali ako dito
Dapat yung after the last stoplight ng city
gawin kong interval till fort rd
fort road to ECP service eh pwede relax konti

Tanah merah service rd (inside the park) - 20kph
best we only run 20kph here
respect park rules and pang realx narin

Loyang to Sengkang - 25kph
mahirap sa pasir ris sa dami ng stoplights tumira parin
sa old tampi eh gagawin kong sprint point ulit yung small uphill
para mabilis parin ang takbo. pipigain natin

kaso kawawa naman ang hataw mo papi, binawasan yung recovery.
tulungan mo nalang ang hataw kasi love naman kau 4ever
kaso kung di talaga pwede eh kakayanin ng hataw kasi ur always in his heart

*next SAT pala rest week ko as I promised myself.
domestic nalang ako ni amang :D
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Re: round the island ride

Post  kumagako on Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:00 pm

nagcramps na yung daliri ko at mata ko at utak ko na 2-bits galit

i would admit minsan namamatayan ako ng makina after doing an interval at my limit.
which let me end up cranking slow.
i would admit minsan eh bumabagal ako lalo na kung juicy na kwento yung katabi ko.
i would admin minsan bumabagal ako kasi may nakasalubong tayo na juicy cyclist in his tights that makes my heart beat faster adn slower at the same time which end up cranking slower because the blood went somewhere else

ganito nalang talaga ang simplest solution. kiss

IF ONE WOULD FIND THE PACE SLOW FOR HIS/HER LIKING THEN HE/SHE MAY SET UP THE PACE ON FRONT.
HE/SHE CAN ALSO ASK SOMEBODY ELSE TO SET THE PACE OF HIS/HER LIKING ON FRONT.
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Re: round the island ride

Post  Original_Sigbin on Mon Mar 14, 2011 7:39 pm

this is my $2 prata sugestion pra wla ng junk miles. first train leaving at 0600 are the immortal brothers. cla ang gumamit ng wats while second train leaving at 0630 are the mutya brothers ito naman ang gumamit ng 12v with 100 mega ampers. lubas lng ang mega ampers kung my event n sasalihan.. nagkamali
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Re: round the island ride

Post  Makoy on Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:22 pm

Mas malaki ang grupo mas maganda...
Masaya nga kami at lumalaki ang grupo ngayon...

Single time slot lang tayo...

And please note na yung junk miles eh hindi dahil sa kahihintay sa mga slower riders...
I was shooting a different issue...

Forget it.... lets just ride together this weekends.

C u mga ka-tropa at our original time slot 6 AM!!! hataw
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Re: round the island ride

Post  kumagako on Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:01 pm

i love u forever gabby san!!!
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Re: round the island ride

Post  skid on Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:06 pm

bakit sa sobrang haba ng history ng PBB story - hindi ako nabanggit
bakit kahit na wala ako absent last year (except when mtb) - hindi ako nabanggit
bakit kahit na pitikpitik parin ako this year (basta work & mtb permits hehehe) - hindi ako nabanggit
kahit ako ang unang nag-race (although mid-placer lol) under PBB (and yes, this is verifiable) - hindi ako nabanggit
kahiit na AKO LANG ang nagsusuot ng PBB jersey - hindi ako nabanggit

kumagako, you have to re-write the history.

lol! lol!





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Re: round the island ride

Post  Makoy on Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:03 pm

Kasama ka dre, sa "Halimaw sa MTB"

si Stanley sa "etc..."

bright
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Re: round the island ride

Post  kumagako on Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:34 pm

ehem ehem ehem.. sensya na fafi. bday ko naman sa isang araw kaya automatic forgiven na ako.


dnt wori at isusulat ko rin ng detail ang recent history ng PBB.
lalo na yung nautakan ka ni Makoy sa national road championsheeps.

pamagat ay

"nakasulat sa dahon ng gabi"
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Re: round the island ride

Post  Kiko on Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:05 pm

kumagako wrote:ehem ehem ehem.. sensya na fafi. bday ko naman sa isang araw kaya automatic forgiven na ako.


dnt wori at isusulat ko rin ng detail ang recent history ng PBB.
lalo na yung nautakan ka ni Makoy sa national road championsheeps.

pamagat ay

"nakasulat sa dahon ng gabi"

sUPER DUPER LIKE THIS! HAHAHA rumorolyo ako sa katatawa.... lol!
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Re: round the island ride

Post  Kiko on Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:10 pm

Makoy wrote:Kasama ka dre, sa "Halimaw sa MTB"

si Stanley sa "etc..."

bright

sino nga ba si skid? any more clues... nagkamali

sincheerly,

Mr Late & clueless
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Post  GIANT on Tue Mar 15, 2011 1:30 pm

skid wrote:bakit sa sobrang haba ng history ng PBB story - hindi ako nabanggit
bakit kahit na wala ako absent last year (except when mtb) - hindi ako nabanggit
bakit kahit na pitikpitik parin ako this year (basta work & mtb permits hehehe) - hindi ako nabanggit
kahit ako ang unang nag-race (although mid-placer lol) under PBB (and yes, this is verifiable) - hindi ako nabanggit
kahiit na AKO LANG ang nagsusuot ng PBB jersey - hindi ako nabanggit

kumagako, you have to re-write the history.

lol! lol!

tampururot naman si Rio! (ayan Kiko kilala mo na!)
onga ryan i re write mo, minsan sa RTI eh si rio lang nakakabuntot sau. isa sya sa mga next generation PBB riders na malakas!
party party party





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Re: round the island ride

Post  Kiko on Tue Mar 15, 2011 4:39 pm

Dre bat wala k last rti?! Hehe

Sali ka sa ibubuo na pbb test test team ha

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Re: round the island ride

Post  kumagako on Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:17 pm

Kiko wrote:Dre bat wala k last rti?! Hehe

Sali ka sa ibubuo na pbb test test team ha

:talon:
ayusin mo kung PBB testes or test test TEAM yan !!! jump
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Re: round the island ride

Post  Kiko on Tue Mar 15, 2011 10:53 pm

kapag buo na test team na yan... hehehe for now test test muna...

actually sa ngayon ay TESTING 123 TEST MIKE 123 pa sa ngayon... wehehehe

so far ang nominated ay (drum roll):
btw if may nakalimutan me paki nominate na lang or paki nominate ang sarili...
note: for now ive omitted the PRO/Semi-Pro/Sponsored/Prosti riders or those whose FTP is beyond 240
or sa madaling salita ung mga hayuf na malalakas magtrangko nagkamali


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